An Ol' Broad's Ramblings
Morning Coffee 6/10/07
Fred Thompson survey said: “I do not believe abortion should be criminalized”
Former senator has voting record opposed to federal funding and partial-birth, but 1990s issue answers addressed life issues more directly
Documents The Tennessean located last week in Thompson’s Senate archive at the University of Tennessee show:
• On a 1996 Christian Coalition survey, he checked “opposed” to an amendment to the U.S. Constitution “protecting the sanctity of human life.”
• He included a handwritten clarification: “I do not believe abortion should be criminalized. This battle will be won in the hearts and souls of the American people.”
I don’t have a problem with this. For one thing, he’s right. It will be a battle won in hearts, not courts. We shouldn’t need an amendment to protect life, it should be a given.
S. Wis. shooting kills 6, wounds toddler
The wounded child, a 2-year-old girl, was taken to a hospital in Rockford, Ill., where she was reported in critical condition late Saturday, hospital officials said. Rockford Memorial Hospital officials said she was flown to the University of Wisconsin Hospital in Madison, where officials did not immediately give her condition Sunday morning.
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One of the spectators was next-door neighbor Jesus Valadez, 27, who said he was outside in spite of police telling him to stay indoors and keep his doors locked.“It’s kind of scary,” Valadez said. “Exciting, don’t get me wrong. Better than watching TV.”
What kind of mentality does it take to find a child getting shot ‘exciting’? Wisconsin again, made international news, but not for anything good.
States urged to act on illegal aliens
An Ohio sheriff who billed the federal government for the cost of jailing criminal aliens and asked Mexico to reimburse him in his fight against Mexican-based drug rings says the Senate’s failure to pass an immigration-reform bill is reason enough for states to target illegal aliens themselves.
If the federal gubmint won’t uphold the law, why shouldn’t states be able to?
Albanians Warmly Greet President Bush
President Bush, getting a hero’s welcome as the first American president to visit Albania, said Sunday that there cannot be endless dialogue about achieving independence for neighboring Kosovo.
“Sooner rather than later you’ve got to say `Enough’s enough. Kosovo’s independent,’” Bush said during a news conference with the prime minister of this tiny impoverished European nation.
Well, that’s just peachy! When do we get to declare OUR independence from a government run amok? “Enough is enough!”
Ohio charter school serves gin to 6th-grade graduates
An Ohio charter school that emphasizes African history and culture served gin to sixth graders at a graduation ceremony and state education officials said they plan to investigate.
Four students were given a teaspoon of gin mixed with water in a ceremony modeled on a Ghanian rite of passage event, said Kwa David Whitaker, a Phoenix Village Academy official.
Since this isn’t Ghana, and we don’t typically spoon feed our kids gin, I’d say that was very much out of line! And since when did moving from elementary school to the higher grades become such a big deal? You graduate from high school and college….NOT elementary school fer petes sake!
Report: UK firm tried to sell uranium to Iran
A newspaper reported Sunday that a British company was closed after being caught in an apparent attempt to sell black-market weapons-grade uranium to Iran and Sudan.
But The Observer said it could not identify the company for legal reasons, and Britain’s Foreign Office declined to discuss the report, saying it never comments on intelligence and security matters.
Why on earth would any western company want to see Iran with nukes? That just doesn’t make sense.
Someone has been intentionally letting a herd of cows loose from a town of Hubbard farm, according to Dodge County Sheriff’s Department dispatch logs.
The owner of the County Trunk S farm called police at 1:48 a.m. Sunday and said someone opened seven gates inside his barn, freeing 120 cows, according to the report.
The same thing happened Friday night, between 11:30 p.m. and 1 a.m., according to the report.
How much ya wanna bet there are teenagers and alcoholic beverages are involved? 
Ok, no smile. I NEVER did anything stupid as a teenager! (snicker)
“What kind of mentality does it take to find a child getting shot ‘exciting’?”
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Everyone knows I’m a racist anyway, so, I’d say a HISPANIC one maybe?? (Jesus Valadez)
He damn sure ain’t German or Irish…
Seriously, he is one SICK person…
Oh yeah, yer one evil dude alright! LMAO
Regarding “I do not believe abortion should be criminalized. This battle will be won in the hearts and souls of the American people.†— You’ve got to be kidding! Does it follow that it should not be illegal to shoot and kill another person? Should we just let the hearts and souls of all the evil people in the world go on killing until we win over their hearts and souls? Killing is killing. A child in the womb deserves the same protections as any other American. I pray for all of you who don’t think this is so.
I think you missed a bit of the point. If we win over the hearts and souls of people, make them realize this is not just a ‘tumor’, but an actual pre-born human being, then criminalizing would be moot. We have won small victories over the last 10 years or so, I’d hate to think we’d lose the war against the death squads because we made the donkey dig in it’s heels.
Kate, the people that are killing the unborn already know it’s a baby. If you research the arguments the left has used over the years, they’ve gone from saying, we don’t know when life begins – to – we know it’s a life, but we should be able to end it anyway.
Show me one instance where this kind of thinking has worked. Has it worked when fighting the terrorists? Has it worked between the Palestinians and the Jews? Has it worked in the fight against drugs? Or gangs?
What if Lincoln had said, “I don’t think slavery should be criminalized, this battle will be won by the hearts and souls of the American people.”
What if during WWII America had said, “I don’t think we should get involved in stopping the killing of a whole race of people. We should just win over the hearts and souls of Germany and Hitler.”
There are lots of wonderful people involved in the pro life movement that have spent incredible amounts of time trying to convince people that abortion is wrong. And they will continue to do so. They will continue to change hearts and minds. How wonderful it would be if this was enough. But reality tells is it isn’t.
I’m no donkey but I’m sure I’d feel like a Jack ___ at the Pearly gates if I had to tell St. Peter I didn’t think the life of the preborn was important enough to protect by law.
Now woman, you know full well I agree with you! LOL We didn’t get to this point over night, and we won’t be able to get back over night. These are seriously evil people, who have a LOT of money, and too many who are uninformed are on their side. We have to educate the ones we can reach. IF we can’t, then we might consider criminalization.
Love ya Kate, but why is a law against killing you OK, but a law against killing a tiny baby that can’t even speak not OK? Please explain the difference.
There is no difference. You and I both know this. The problem is, we’ve gone so far away from what is real, it’s going to take a long time to get back, if we ever can. The atheists in the bloody battle to murder children are getting money from OUR pockets. First, we need to stop that…immediately. One step at a time. I’d love nothing more than to end every single baby murder NOW.
I’m all for the death penalty too!
I just see Fred’s words as giving up the cause. It’s not what I want for our leader.
I’ll bet Cal will be posting in here after he gets home from work and he’ll be straightening out both of us!
Take Care!
*sigh* Why’s it always up to me to do the straightening out?
There are 2 problems here: 1.) It shouldn’t be education OR criminalization; we’re supposed to be doing BOTH. In hearts and minds we make the compassionate, moral, and scientific case for life, and in legislatures we work toward increasingly-stronger restrictions on abortion, forcing the Left to explain to the American people just why babies should be expendable. 2.) The argument you’re making—that changing hearts is a stepping stone to future criminalization—is NOT actually being made by Fred in that article. He doesn’t go as far as you’re going.
There’s no logical reason why educational AND legislative efforts can’t be done at the same time, and it’s instructive to note that “discourage but don’t ban†is the exact same stance that most Dems & Rudy take.
Don’t get me wrong—Fred’s opposition to Roe and his pro-life voting record make him different enough from Giuliani & the Democrats (along with the other issues) that I’ll probably be able to support him if he wins the nomination (Romney-Hunter ’08 is still the dream ticket, though!). I just don’t like to see conservatives getting their hopes up and building this guy’s image into another Reagan, because (as Bush has shown us) it doesn’t do the country any good to dilute principles for the sake of a personality, and it’s a recipe for yet another potential disappointment.
Hey, come get these goats! LMAO
Now see, I didn’t read it that way at all. What I read was that he was against abortion, but in order to eliminate it was to educate young women exactly what it is. The abortion mills don’t bother to inform exactly what is involved AND that the baby can, and DOES feel pain.
Starting with discouragement is a step in the right direction. And yes, there should be some legislation involved. I do believe taking back our country, one step at a time is the only way we can actually do it.