I know Glenn urges you not to visit the site, but I challenge you to find the page he references. You won’t be able to. It applies only to dealers registered to administer the trade-in program. The site is perfectly safe for the casual surfer. Beck’s all-or-nothing alarmism may be great for ratings, but is a disservice to truth.
Wow. You really are stoned on that kool aid, arn’cha Jim, ol’ buddy ol’ pal. You’re missing the whole point…..obviously. The fact that a government entity would even consider such a thing should have you crapping in your diapers!
Well, for starters, you made no point. Mr. Beck’s point was “whatever you do, don’t visit cars.gov because the government is spying on you.” That is alarmist.
I don’t believe the government is actively snooping into car dealers’ computers, let alone 300 million of the rest of us. The point of the fairly daunting TOS, particularly “your computer is considered a federal computer system”, is for legal purposes. Sure, the government could have implemented the system by installing dumb terminals at the 23,000 participating dealerships (kind of like the fishing license terminals at every corner store in northern WI), but obviously utilizing the internet and existing pc’s is significantly cheaper.
Of course I’m concerned when govenment oversteps its bounds, and appreciate those that keep a watchful eye for such transgressions. But I don’t beleive this is one such instance.
Then you might want to rethink your position, because damn near everything this administration has done “oversteps its bounds”! When take this one incident alone, perhaps it is nothing, although I’d doubt it. Combine it with everything else? You’ve got a large pile of unconstitutional crap! They spent 19MILLION dollars of OUR money for all this web stuff! That’s a boat load of money, don’t ya think? Go back, watch the video again, read those words of “the warning”. YOUR computer considered government property? YOUR files monitored, copied, etc? Given to various law enforcement personal, domestic…FOREIGN? And you don’t find that more than just a bit disturbing? Whether it’s car dealerships or not, it doesn’t bother you that the government would invade their privacy in such a manner? I don’t ever want to hear DICK about the Patriot Act! That doesn’t even begin to compare with this bunch of feckless weasels!
No, I don’t buy into the level of paranoia espoused by Mr. Beck. These are dealers who have opted in to administer a government program. As far as I can tell, the interface is solely via internet connection, accessed by means of a standard browser. If one would have any decent level of security installed, the machine is safe. The computer simply must be “considered” government property to administer a government program.
Oblivious. You may have been scared of Chenney but I can guaran-damn-tee he cared more about the safety and well being of the citizens of this country than your pals up there in D.C. at this point in time. Which would you rather have? A government that protects you from terrorists, or a government that invites them in?
You say I’m oblivious, and if you’r suggesting I don’t see what you see, you’re right. For the most part, I’ve limited myself to the the topic of this thread — Mr. Beck’s suggestion that cars.com is a government worm. You seem to see this as evidence of a greater nefarious plan, and given that the initial assumption is false (the worm), I do not.
Look, I visit liberal sights as well and let them know when I think they’re being loopy. There is too much black and white on both extremes of the spectrum, and I like to inject a little grey where ever I can. Though I consider myself liberal, I value reason over ideology.
By the way, your last comment is a perfect example of such loopiness: protect vs. invite. No one is inviting terrorists in, and to suggest so is simply disingenuous or certifiably nutty.
Well, golly gee Mr Wizard….didn’t you know? I’m a right wing extremist, designated by THIS administration as a “domestic terrorist’!
There isn’t right and left…..it’s RIGHT and WRONG! Wrong being the total circumvention of the Constitution, which is what this video is just a smart part of the whole.
I just posted this too….. UnF***INGbelievable..
I am posting this….swiping it from you actually…but EVERYONE needs to see this!
Works for me!
I think the great cheshire cat in the sky is frowning right now…….
No doubt there’s a bit of head scratching going on, wondering what happened to the brains that were created to be used in a logical manner.
I know Glenn urges you not to visit the site, but I challenge you to find the page he references. You won’t be able to. It applies only to dealers registered to administer the trade-in program. The site is perfectly safe for the casual surfer. Beck’s all-or-nothing alarmism may be great for ratings, but is a disservice to truth.
Wow. You really are stoned on that kool aid, arn’cha Jim, ol’ buddy ol’ pal. You’re missing the whole point…..obviously. The fact that a government entity would even consider such a thing should have you crapping in your diapers!
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Well, for starters, you made no point. Mr. Beck’s point was “whatever you do, don’t visit cars.gov because the government is spying on you.” That is alarmist.
I don’t believe the government is actively snooping into car dealers’ computers, let alone 300 million of the rest of us. The point of the fairly daunting TOS, particularly “your computer is considered a federal computer system”, is for legal purposes. Sure, the government could have implemented the system by installing dumb terminals at the 23,000 participating dealerships (kind of like the fishing license terminals at every corner store in northern WI), but obviously utilizing the internet and existing pc’s is significantly cheaper.
Of course I’m concerned when govenment oversteps its bounds, and appreciate those that keep a watchful eye for such transgressions. But I don’t beleive this is one such instance.
Then you might want to rethink your position, because damn near everything this administration has done “oversteps its bounds”! When take this one incident alone, perhaps it is nothing, although I’d doubt it. Combine it with everything else? You’ve got a large pile of unconstitutional crap! They spent 19MILLION dollars of OUR money for all this web stuff! That’s a boat load of money, don’t ya think? Go back, watch the video again, read those words of “the warning”. YOUR computer considered government property? YOUR files monitored, copied, etc? Given to various law enforcement personal, domestic…FOREIGN? And you don’t find that more than just a bit disturbing? Whether it’s car dealerships or not, it doesn’t bother you that the government would invade their privacy in such a manner? I don’t ever want to hear DICK about the Patriot Act! That doesn’t even begin to compare with this bunch of feckless weasels!
No, I don’t buy into the level of paranoia espoused by Mr. Beck. These are dealers who have opted in to administer a government program. As far as I can tell, the interface is solely via internet connection, accessed by means of a standard browser. If one would have any decent level of security installed, the machine is safe. The computer simply must be “considered” government property to administer a government program.
And yes, Cheney did make me more nervous.
Oblivious. You may have been scared of Chenney but I can guaran-damn-tee he cared more about the safety and well being of the citizens of this country than your pals up there in D.C. at this point in time. Which would you rather have? A government that protects you from terrorists, or a government that invites them in?
You say I’m oblivious, and if you’r suggesting I don’t see what you see, you’re right. For the most part, I’ve limited myself to the the topic of this thread — Mr. Beck’s suggestion that cars.com is a government worm. You seem to see this as evidence of a greater nefarious plan, and given that the initial assumption is false (the worm), I do not.
Look, I visit liberal sights as well and let them know when I think they’re being loopy. There is too much black and white on both extremes of the spectrum, and I like to inject a little grey where ever I can. Though I consider myself liberal, I value reason over ideology.
By the way, your last comment is a perfect example of such loopiness: protect vs. invite. No one is inviting terrorists in, and to suggest so is simply disingenuous or certifiably nutty.
Well, golly gee Mr Wizard….didn’t you know? I’m a right wing extremist, designated by THIS administration as a “domestic terrorist’!
There isn’t right and left…..it’s RIGHT and WRONG! Wrong being the total circumvention of the Constitution, which is what this video is just a smart part of the whole.
jimspice…be afraid, be very afraid