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6 August 2009, 7:11 pm. 63 Comments. Filed under Feckless Weasels, Opinion.

Don’t you people in D.C. have anything better to do that snoop blogs? Quit wasting MY money! Jeeeeez!

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  1. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 7:50 pm

    Ruh Roh…..have I mentioned lately that I don’t exist?
    Yes, I was never here and neither were you……
    At least in the “camps” maybe I’ll finally learn how to play poker.And for the government employee that is violating all of our rights by spying for that loser Barry…you should be ashamed of yourselves. Sure it’s “us” toady, but tomnorrow it will be you. Trust me on this….

  2. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 7:52 pm

    Sheesh….how dangerous can I be when I can’t even spell? Although I think the “toady” instead of today was definitely a freudian slip………
    I have no idea what happened with the tomorrow part.

  3. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 7:54 pm

    Oh, I think toady works right well, if ya ask me!  Heh.

  4. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 7:55 pm

    Well well well…it gets creepier than you think! Go to Whois and type in the IP addy and see what happens….I’ll wait…

  5. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 8:06 pm

    Oh yeah….checked ‘em out before I did the capcha thingy.

    Open Source Information System – US Government

    So, they are snooping me out.  Pfft!  Like I’m so hidden?

  6. Ick. 6 August 2009, 8:10 pm

    *Looks around* I was never here! You never saw me, and if you claim to know me I will deny everything!

  7. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 8:11 pm

    Wuss!  LOL

  8. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 8:14 pm

    Is this thing on?

  9. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 8:18 pm

    Nope.  Totally off the grid.  LMAO

  10. capper. 6 August 2009, 8:24 pm

    Piffle.  I get hits from the Sergeant at Arms in the Senate.
    But, I suspect that if more in D.C. read my stuff, the country would be humming along like a machine by now. :D

  11. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 8:24 pm

    Who are you again? I am just a little old lady that got lost playing on her …umm, uh, uh, uh…neighbor’s ..yeah that’s it the neighbor’s computer.
    And of course I just love [gag spit...] fearless leader, I even took up his special way of speaking:
    “duh, uh uh uh um um um I I I, um uh yeah I’m workin’ on a plan to…”
    See? I’m not a threat at all…..
    Now how do I get home?

  12. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 8:27 pm

    Capper…so you are a union guy and government employee?

  13. capper. 6 August 2009, 8:28 pm

    Among my hundred other things, yes.

  14. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 8:36 pm

    capper….well those were just the things that jumped out at me in your about page.Sooooo, what do you think of what is going on right now? Do you really think that unions are valid anymore, or do they really just create more problems than they address?

  15. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 8:38 pm

    @capper  Pfft!  If I posted a capcha with the sgt at arms everytime, I wouldn’t have time to annoy you as much as I do.  LOL

  16. capper. 6 August 2009, 8:39 pm

    As with anything, it is a case by case basis.  Some unions are totally f’ed up and are more of a problem than they are a solution.  When they work like they are supposed  to, they are darn good.
    More often than not, they are just a scapegoat for the conservatives.

  17. Ick. 6 August 2009, 8:53 pm

    *hangs head in defeat* I’m guilty by marriage.. *sigh*.. LOL

  18. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 8:55 pm

    “More often than not, they are just a scapegoat for the conservatives.’
    Wow, I just ‘met’ you and you are already showing me your victim card? I feel so special….
    All unions with the exception of the ones that protect a worker’s safety [I.E mining] are effed up, they are nothing more than a bludgeon to use against employers when the employees are lazy parasites.I read about your mom [and I'm sorry for your loss...I lost my mom a few years ago too] and if you think she would have gotten better care under a government run plan then you are ,frankly, delusional. Been to the DMV lately?
    And you actually had the nerve to use the term “big pharma” ???? OMG…seriously? Were the doctors treating your mom using herbs from a witch doctor or what? You do not have the first clue as to what goes into drug research and creation…..I do. I do business with these companies daily and they sure aren’t the monsters you make them out to be.
    Unless of course you have something against people getting the medications they need. I’ll bet this fall when the pandemic goes into full swing you will be one of big pharma’s biggest fans.….
     
     

  19. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 8:59 pm

  20. capper. 6 August 2009, 9:00 pm

    Not playing a victim card at all.  A common political rule of thumb is: “you get more votes running against the union than you do running with one.”  It’s just a fact of life.
    But the same people that gripe about unions would be unwilling to give up the benefits unions have won for them, such as 40 hour work weeks, vacations, paid sick leave, worker rights, etc.
    I’ve worked in both the private and public sector, in both repped and non-repped positions.  There is a world of difference in how one gets treated.

  21. capper. 6 August 2009, 9:02 pm

    @kate
    I thought you were fasting.  ;)

  22. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 9:08 pm

    Kate…you’ll need that popcorn.
    Capper….so what do you do exactly where you only get treated well if you are unionized?

  23. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 9:24 pm

    @capper  I am, but I can fantasize, can’t I??  LOL

     

  24. capper. 6 August 2009, 9:28 pm

    Kate, check your site.  I’ve been having problems accessing it.  Something about account being full.
    CG,  Social work.  I have worked in for profit psych hospitals, non-profit psych hospitals, non-profit group homes, and in foster care and now with disabled adults.  In the latter, I was allowed to work on the client’s needs.  In the former, it was all about the money, and increase income, but it never went to the clients and it sure as hell never went to me.
    Also, don’t forget the other union slugs and thugs, like nurses, firefighters and cops.  They’d tell you the same thing.

  25. olbroad. 6 August 2009, 9:33 pm

    Yeah, me too.  That happens now and then.  But one thing, when it happens here, it happens at 3 other sites too.  So, it ain’t MY fault….this time.  Heh.

    And just thought I’d toss this out….since everyone already knows what I think of the current state of unions…more like the union bosses….y’all have at it.  :D

  26. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 9:36 pm

    A common political rule of thumb is: “you get more votes running against the union than you do running with one.”  It’s just a fact of life.
    Uh huh…and that’s because unions are evil…and people recognize that fact and that’s why you need little barry to try and force unions down the american people’s throats. Tell me about the unions rolls shrinking faster than a snowball on a hot day? But you know better right?
    “But the same people that gripe about unions would be unwilling to give up the benefits unions have won for them, such as 40 hour work weeks, vacations, paid sick leave, worker rights, etc.”
    Good grief! That is so 1920! Do you still use an iron lung too or did you break down and get a polio vaccine from BIG PHARMA?
    I take it you have never been the boss or you wouldn’t be talking about a 40 hour work week.
    “I’ve worked in both the private and public sector, in both repped and non-repped positions.  There is a world of difference in how one gets treated.”
    I think I have inadvertently discovered your problem…..you like to use the union as a bludgeon against your employer or you wouldn’t make that statement. We have laws, both federal and state that already protect workers. This isn’t an episode of “The Jungle” you are living in you know……

  27. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 9:37 pm

    Yup Kate your site keeps saying it’s full…of what they don’t specify. LOL.

  28. capper. 6 August 2009, 9:42 pm

    Those laws you mention have continuously been eroded, and there has been a noticeable decline in the middle class due to that.  Maybe you haven’t been paying much attention since you are apparently afraid of union thugs like social workers, firefighters and nurses.
    As for your other silly comment, the pharma companies do serve a purpose, but they also overcharge like hell.  R & D budgets are nothing compared to their profit margins.  Make a living fine, but don’t suck us dry.

  29. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 9:53 pm

    In the latter, I was allowed to work on the client’s needs.  In the former, it was all about the money, and increase income, but it never went to the clients and it sure as hell never went to me.
    This seems to be a regular meme for union employees. First profits are bad, then profits are bad because they don’t go to the “right” people [said union employee] then it’s because “they” won’t let you do your job.
    Hey, I have a way around all that. Why don’t you do what you expect Big Pharma and the rest of us to do? Work for free!
    Isn’t that what the people’s worker’s socialist paradise is all about?
    Years ago I had over 120 employees [we are a bio tech research/manufacturing firm] and I had that special employee from hell that every employer has at one time or another. She was a lazy , dishonest pain in the butt. She knew her days were numbered at the Co. so what does little miss brilliant do? Why, she calls in the unions! The union thug….err rep…..was escorted to my office by security [hey I wasn't born yesterday] where he launched into his tirade. I heard him out and then told him bluntly that I could and would shut down my plant before it was ever unionized. Then I showed him our pay and benefit plans and he said ,much to my pleasure, that they were better than my employees would get if they were unionized.
    I had security escort both him and her out….I fired her for cause. And then we automated everything we could and now there are 100 less jobs [actually it would be more today]. Think the car plants…..
    And my nephew is a cop and despises the unions that he has to pay dues to. Unions are nothing more than modern day slavery.

  30. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 9:57 pm

    As for your other silly comment, the pharma companies do serve a purpose, but they also overcharge like hell.  R & D budgets are nothing compared to their profit margins.  Make a living fine, but don’t suck us dry.

    Did you really just say that? Tell me what is the going wage for a union worker with the IQ of a fruitfly and the job skills of a teenager again? Don’t be coy…you know who I am talking about. Think the car plants. how tough is it to stand and watch a robotic arm do all the work again?

  31. capper. 6 August 2009, 10:00 pm

    Unions are nothing more than modern day slavery.
    Lol, that would be more convincing if you weren’t so contradictory.  If your shop is nonunion, how did she bring in the unions?  They wouldn’t have a right to be in your plant.
    You sound like your just pissed because you can’t screw over your workers too much, otherwise they will just up and leave you anyway.
    And you claim that you fired the woman for cause.  Given how you describe her, it sounds like it was more of a power trip for you.  That would be logical, considering that you are trying to boss me around instead of talking with me.

  32. capper. 6 August 2009, 10:03 pm

    Wow, you are just Mr. Personality, aren’t you?
    Did you just not get enough hugs or something?

  33. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 10:05 pm

    Talk about overcharging like hell! Union anyone? They are as unAmerican as you can get. You don’t like your workplace go somewhere else.
    And the laws are being eroded…oh, please! Let’s keep it in the realm of reality okay? You have heard of lawyers right? Heard of the ACLU?
    The new union motto should be:
    Unions ….driving all the good jobs overseas and all the good businesses out of business”
    You want to talk about sucking us dry? How about the going wage for the road workers that lean on shovels?
    And when I say union thugs I mean the reps. not the workers …..the only thing the unions seem to be good for is giving the Mob cover….

  34. capper. 6 August 2009, 10:11 pm

    Talk about overcharging like hell! Union anyone? They are as unAmerican as you can get. You don’t like your workplace go somewhere else.
    In this economy? Please.
    You have heard of lawyers right? Heard of the ACLU?
    They don’t help when the very law has been changed, now do they?  Otherwise we wouldn’t have built in bigotry in most states constitutions.  Of course, you would be opposed to gay marriage because that would cut into your profit margin.
    driving all the good jobs overseas and all the good businesses out of business

    Nope, that’s corporate greed.  Why pay a working wage when you can pay pennies on the hour?

  35. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 10:23 pm

    Ahh…change the subject huh?
    Yes, I got plenty of hugs. Yes she was fired for good cause unless you consider someone who doesn’t show up on time and doesn’t keep accurate records in a research lab someone that just needed more hugs. I mean, it’s not like someone’s life could someday depend on her research or anything right? Oh wait….yes it would.
    If your shop is nonunion, how did she bring in the unions?  They wouldn’t have a right to be in your plant.
    You kidder, you! Unions and other people’s rights and following laws…surely you jest? This was 1987 and as I already said the rep. was escorted by my security.….I let him come in to talk to me.
    You sound like your just pissed because you can’t screw over your workers too much, otherwise they will just up and leave you anyway.
    And you claim that you fired the woman for cause.  Given how you describe her, it sounds like it was more of a power trip for you.  That would be logical, considering that you are trying to boss me around instead of talking with me.
    Well, see? You got to try and show off your social worker/psych skills. Now don’t you feel better? I would love to have you explain how she was a victim and you can tell this by the way I described her, and how I am trying to boss you around….
    And, I know this is hard for you to believe but my employees love me and where they work. Good people/employees despise the lazy jerks in a workplace as much as the boss does. Don’t you already know this? It makes work for everyone else more difficult and unpleasant and I have always had the notion that since people [everyone ] spends so much of their time at work  the work place should be a great place to be. I like people a lot and I want them to be happy. I treat my employees the way I would want to be treated.
    Seriously…you have a very bad case of union-itis. Bad attitude, sense of entitlement and the knowledge that “they” are always out to screw you.
    And BTW…that’s Ms. personality to you…..lol.

  36. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 10:28 pm

    You sound like your just pissed because you can’t screw over your workers too much, otherwise they will just up and leave you anyway.
    +

    In this economy? Please.

    =bi-polar thought processes…..
    Make up your mind…..you aren’t used to having your tired and beyond silly claims of union superiority challenged are you? Come on…pennies on the hour? Really? And just when has that happened?

  37. christmasghost. 6 August 2009, 10:30 pm

    Kate…how’s the virtual popcorn?

  38. capper. 6 August 2009, 10:37 pm

    And just what do you think they are paying in Mexico and China?  They are not exactly living high on the hog, are they?
    And yes, most people are resentful of having to carry extra for the slugs in a work place.  Just like they are resentful of bad managers and bosses.
    You let the rep come in and then complain?  Sounds like you are trying to play the victim in a situation you allowed to happen.  I do not know what the labor laws were in ‘87.  I was a kid working four jobs (all part time) and going to school.
    And for psych skills, I just made a simple observation of the words you used.  Instead of just saying a bad worker who failed in her duties, you used derogatory adjectives and pronouns.  That says something, doesn’t it?
    And sorry for the mistaken gender.
     

  39. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 7:13 am

  40. silent E. 7 August 2009, 7:32 am

    40 hour work weeks???? You work those if you don’t want to succeed. I’m trying to find a companies business plan that says it’s in business souly to supply jobs to people. Union workers tend to believe the business was started just for them and they should get part of that business. Phffffft. People start businesses to make stuff and money. The economic benefit is jobs. Business owners put their own ass and money on the line to succeed. They don’t owe you anything except the paycheck you get for doing your job. If you don’t like it, quit and find something you like. The majority of business owners enjoy their work and treat their employees with respect and trust. When lazy employees feel sorry for themselves, they contact a union screwing the business owner out of the profits he/she deserves after taking the risk. As CG said, unions are so 1920’s. There was a time and a place for them and that time is now gone.

  41. silent E. 7 August 2009, 7:33 am

    Dammit….. I’m dieting too…. Go back to the popcorn.

  42. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 8:41 am

    @E  Not dieting….nasty 4 letter word, diet!  I’m fasting.  Virtual food!  :?   Wanting REAL!

  43. capper. 7 August 2009, 11:14 am

    Many people work more than 40 hours a week.  But unless you are self-employed or waive the right by agreeing to a salary instead of hourly wages, anything over the 40 is overtime, per the law.  (Of course, this is another law that is being eroded, and they keep adding exceptions).
    Unions also protect workers from being fired for no just cause, like the boss wanting to put his son-in-law in the job, because he is a real loser and couldn’t keep a job any other way, etc.
    And most unions aren’t asking for anything besides a fair wage and to be treated with respect.  Is that a problem?

  44. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 11:23 am

    Just a small interjection here.

    Unions also prevent employees who aren’t worth a damn from getting their butts kicked to the curb, where they should be.  Gubmint employees are notorious for doing nothing, and getting paid for it!

    Ok, I’m back out of it now.  :D

  45. capper. 7 August 2009, 11:28 am

    There are good and bad government employees, just like there are good and bad in any field.
    But glad to know that you consider my working with three dozen disabled adults, making sure they are receiving services, making sure they are not being abused, etc., etc., is doing nothing.

  46. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 11:30 am

    Wasn’t aware this was all about you.  Thought the topic y’all had been discussing was UNIONS.  Pay attention.  :?

  47. capper. 7 August 2009, 11:35 am

    Dementia already?  You brought up government workers.  I am a government worker.  Or do you think I would just let you insult me?

  48. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 11:43 am

    I repeat, didn’t know this was all about you.  You do realize that there are a LOT of gubmint workers, right?

  49. silent E. 7 August 2009, 12:46 pm

    I’m not questioning your work ethic capper but I’m not being union specific either. How many deadbeat teachers are plodding along in their jobs not doing a damn thing that are protected by tenure. This happens in ALL unionized shops and the employer is forced to pay the loser instead of tossing him/her. Is this one of those great benefits that unions brought to the working world that you speak of?

  50. capper. 7 August 2009, 12:50 pm

    You’re right.  I’ve already said that there are good ones and bad ones in any field.
    But that is also true in the private sector, where people get to stay on their job because they are related to the boss, sleeping with the boss, or whatever.

  51. silent E. 7 August 2009, 1:26 pm

    That is a choice the business owner gets to make him/herself. It’s not decided for him by the union who took no risk or made any finacial contribution to building the business. Why should an entity that has not built the business have any say in how the owner runs it?

  52. christmasghost. 7 August 2009, 2:00 pm

    “Or do you think I would just let you insult me?”
    Now isn’t this precious? Just precious? Honey, here’s head’s up someone should have given you years ago. Not only is everything not all about you, you don’t have any control over what I or anyone else has to say about you. That’s reality…and all the little union thugs can’t make it different. It’s a little thing I like to call the first amendment. Obviously you have never heard of it.

    Hey little man, you really are just a low level psych drone aren’t you? Any real professional would never use a phrase like that one….unless they were not a professional but a low level union drone….I rest my case.
    You are the effing parasite in the office, no wonder you had such sympathy for a lazy cheat. You are right ,you do need the union…without it you doubtless wouldn’t have a job.
    May I say it again….effing union parasite.

  53. capper. 7 August 2009, 3:50 pm

    Silent E-
    Um, that is where negotiations come in.  The boss does have say.  If the boss doesn’t agree to it in the contract, the union can’t do anything, unless it is especially grievous.
     
    CG-
    Yes, there is a first amendment right.  I am exercising mine by pointing out  the wrong things that are being said.  And as for you libelous allegations, I have never been reprimanded nor punished.  My yearly evaluation is all at meets or exceeds expectations.  However, unlike you, I can see past my wallet and realize I am not the only person in the world, and strive to make it as fair a place as possible.
    Perhaps that is why you are showing the defensive behavior.  You are afraid of not having the upper hand, which is really rather comical, since you never did.

  54. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 4:00 pm

    Ok, I gotta toss this in….first…y’all play nice.  :D

    Second, capper, life isn’t fair.  It never will be.  Life is what YOU make it, not what someone makes for you.

  55. silent E. 7 August 2009, 4:05 pm

    Without the union getting involved in the first place, negotiations aren’t needed but if there is union they negotiate, the union disagrees and there is a strike halting production and killing the companies bottom line.  Work at will… If you don’t like it, leave. End of negotiations.

  56. capper. 7 August 2009, 4:11 pm

    Exactly, Kate, and if people decide to band together and demand a living wage and respect at work, and the boss don’t like, well, he might not see it as fair.
    S.E. If there wasn’t a problem in the first place, the workers wouldn’t have thought of starting up an union.
    But it is their right to form an union if they choose.  You all are advocating for for those freedoms and rights to be taken away, just to increase the profits for a few.  Nice.

  57. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 4:26 pm

    How is denying people work helping anyone?  Do you hire 20 people at one wage, or, do you hire 7 with all the bells and whistles?  Just wondering.

  58. silent E. 7 August 2009, 4:46 pm

    The profits are for the risk takers. Again…. They are not in business to employ anybody. It’s a benefit to those who seek work. Why do you feel it necessary to punish those who take the risks and employ? Why do you feel entitled to that which is not yours? It’s like insurance, you’re not entitled to it, it’s a benefit. This “living wage” you speak of… If you don’t feel you’re making enough try educating yourself and learn something that pays better. Should a guy who sweeps a hanger floor for NWA really make $19.00/hr? No…. Unions had their place many years ago when the work place was a place were you most likely would die. That is no longer the case. Unions are now the stepping stone for shipping work offshore.

  59. christmasghost. 7 August 2009, 5:01 pm

    Capper…you are a real hoot! Answering questions no one asked you [your yearly evaluation]…..you do know what that says about you right?
    And these screamers:
    My yearly evaluation is all at meets or exceeds expectations.
    Unions have notoriously low expectations for their worker’s work but really high ones for the worker’s pay.
    And this one:
    However, unlike you, I can see past my wallet and realize I am not the only person in the world, and strive to make it as fair a place as possible.
    Oh good grief….I create jobs and technology that I can tell you right now were used when your mom was sick and when you need medical care.You do what again?  I can tell you right now that I donate more time and money to good causes without being paid to do so and without some union telling me to show up. Let me guess, you believe in “social justice” too don’t you?
    BTW….how did you like your union buddies handy work beating people up? Let me guess you are SEIU, right?

  60. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 5:06 pm

    Ummm…  In capper’s defense, I don’t think SEIU has anything to do with gubmint.

  61. christmasghost. 7 August 2009, 6:55 pm

    Hmmm…. I don’t know. I do have a friend that is a social worker and she is in the SEIU and here in california the ever infamous CAL-TRANS is part of SEIU so you might be surprised. You can’t be any more “government” than cal-trans.

  62. olbroad. 7 August 2009, 7:07 pm

    Really?  Since when does “service” have diddly to do with the gubmint?  Heh.

  63. christmasghost. 7 August 2009, 7:23 pm

    Since when does “service” have diddly to do with the gubmint?
    Yeah…that’s a huge laugher isn’t it?

    Service+government=crazy talk.