An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings
Will The BDS Ever End?
Recently, I checked out a link via a commenter. I guess it never will end. Even though George W. Bush left office on January 20, 2009, the left still can’t get over the fact he was even in office. I guess they still want to believe Gore won in 2000, even though, count after count has proven otherwise.
Go and read 20 Reasons People Hate George W. Bush. Here are my responses:
#20 You believe destroying life for research is a good thing? Adult stem cells and cord blood have proven to be 100% more effective, where as embryonic has not.
#19 Since when does the manner of one’s speech prove or disprove their intelligence?
#18 How many poor people create jobs?
#17 Which company killed themselves? Seems to me there’s a lot of them having a high ol’ time on OUR money.
#16 It did no such thing. What a ridiculous assertion. Reps Nay and Jones got it going.
#15 The major part of the mission had ended. The ‘mission accomplished’ banner was put up by the crew of the ship, their mission HAD been accomplished.
#14 Clinton fired all the U.S. attorneys, for political reasons, as have most presidents. This is nothing new. Clinton fired 93, Bush fired 8. What’s the problem?
#13 There were many things, services and such, that Haliburton provided, no other US company did. I’m curious why no one ever brings up the fact that Clinton gave them no bid contracts too?
#12 The UN should be bullied, and often. The US should withdraw from said organization, ASAP. The concept was nice, but the reality is something else altogether. American hating, dictator loving, evil.
#11 Yep. Over an 8 year period, the national debt went sky high. In 10 short months, if Obama and the Dem congress get their way, it will be tripled. Neither did, or will do well, by the country.
#10 Bush hurt the environment all by his lonesome, eh? Personal opinion, environazis do more damage to the environment on a daily basis than anyone in history. The EPA needs to be dissolved, and there is NO way any American president should buy into Kyoto, unless, of course, he wants to totally destroy the US economy.
#9 The Patriot Act was voted for, and approved by Congress, then signed into law. One senator voted against such authorization, Feingold. On October 8, the Senate Judiciary committee voted, 11-8, to send S1692 to the floor, to extend the act.
#8 “Fear and scare tactics” are commonly used by politicians of every stripe. More recently, I recall a certain fellow saying something to the effect, “If we don’t do this RIGHT NOW, we’re all gonna die!!!!” Ok, a bit extreme, but the effect has been the same.
#7 Not enough resources in Afghanistan? You got THAT one right.
#6 Another one I agree with….be still my heart.
#5 I’m 50/50. First, we should have waited till Afghanistan was under control. Second, no one could predict the insanity of Muslim extremists. Unfortunately, there are still far too many who ignore the dangers.
#4 The Plame affair is a bit more complicated than what has been stated. Bush didn’t out anyone, nor did Cheney, or Scotter Libby. Witch hunts don’t do anyone any good. Facts are pesky things. Plame was not covert, so how could she be outed?
#3 That Katrina thing? When did it become the job of the POTUS to rescue stupid people? Where was the governor of Louisiana? How about the Chocolate City mayor? What was he doing while the Cat 1 hit the city? Seems to me if the money allocated to reinforce the levies had not been misused, Katrina and constant Bush blaming would….well hell, they’d still blame him.
#2 The intel used by Bush is the same intel the British had. And Clinton as well. Was it faulty? It turns out it was for the most part, but you go with what you’ve got. (I’ll add once again it was the wrong time.) I will say Saddam should have been taken out in 1991, but you can blame Bush 1, Clinton, and the UN for that over sight.
#1 To save my family, I’ll water board anyone! I’d even do it save YOUR family. I do not see it as torture. I see it as saving lives. Pulling out fingernails, cutting off fingers, removing eyeballs, blowtorch to bare skin, squeezing a head in a vise, and cutting off heads? THAT is torture.
Now, all this being said, I am no huge fan of Bush’s. I think he did a lot of things that were damaging, and some things he should have done, like secure the borders, he didn’t do. But seriously, this bashing is getting really old. Not to mention, a lack of facts involved. Mostly, the BDS seems to come from a mental disorder, and I’m fairly sure they’ve come up with a treatment for that by now.
Now, seriously, I’m not trying to start anything, or get into a shouting match or anything. If he can voice his opinion, I have the same freedom to respond with my opinion, with a fact or two thrown in for good measure.
Just my 2 cents.
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Not enough feeling there, Kate. Try adding a few tears and cheers and fears. I also recommend sprinkling some hope here and there.
Otherwise, your 2 cents is golden.
I’ll only defend one #1. Clinton was asked about the ticking time bomb theory on Larry King. Clinton said that we don’t need to authorize waterboarding because of a ticking time bomb. He said we already have laws for that. In the unlikely case of a ticking time bomb happens and a person was to violate the law and save lives, then he would have to be arrested after the fact and then pardoned. We are not going to throw a hero in prison, so the argument that we should authorize an illegal activity is wrong. If it is authorized then it would be misused.
@Doc LOL Thanks. I’ll try to do better next time.
@Sean And Clinton is an authority on how to save lives? Hmm…. Well, neither is Bush, but I don’t recall getting hit again after 9/11. Seems they stopped a couple of incidents with info collected through such techniques. So, if you knew of a dirty bomb, set to go off in your city, you wouldn’t use all means necessary to find the location, in order to prevent it going off? I find that rather disturbing.
No I think you missed the point. I would do whatever I had to and then I would be pardoned after the fact. That is legal. The only person who says that the information gathered saved lives is Dick Cheney, there is no proof beside his word and I find him to be a lier. Torture has never really been effect at gathering information. It is effective at making people say something that is untrue. Just ask Mccain, when he was forced to call us dogs and criminals on film. If you wanted to make someone confess to something they didn’t do, then you torture them. If you are trying to get information there a better ways, that involve psychological tools.
And proof once again that Dems and libbers are hypocritical douchebags.
And seriously, WHEN does it become Obama’s fault? Really?
People like Sean are clueless, and just cant get it. You cant use psychology on people that have no fear of dying. And people that say waterboarding is “torture” makes me want to show them what real torture is.
Go crack a damn history book, would ya? Learn what actual torture is.
torture is NOT merely putting someone in discomfort. Go read up on what the japanese did to our soldiers in their pow camps. Go learn what the nazis did to the jews. They didnt just gas them. Spanish Inquisition, etc. THOSE were scenarios of torture.
Waterboarding isnt torture, it IS mostly psychological. It convinces the person theyre drowning, but theyre never actually in harm or going to drown. Also the idea that if you “put someone in pain they will just tell you whatever” is a misnomer. The people that do interrogations know what theyre doing, they know what info theyre looking for. You dont just grab some random person and apply pain and run off with whatever info they give you. It doesnt work like that.
Also whining about torture when it comes to the sickos in al queda and the taliban is about as moronic as it gets. They torture their own people, our soldiers, or anyone else they get a chance to. So were supposed to treat them with kid gloves? Like thats gonna make them say “Hey, those Americans are really great people, lets be nice to them.” Stupidity.
Another example of libs siding with the enemy. Notice we dont hear libs whining about injustices done to OUR soldiers? Exactly. Im all for ANY form of interrgoation when it comes to stopping another 9/11. Chop off some random body parts, whatever it takes.
As far as the list goes, its just more liberal ignorance, lies and a general lack of a grip on reality.
If you actually DID have 20 legitimate reasons for Americans to Hate Bush, I could write a list of about 450 for Obama. No kidding. People just refuse to listen or see when its Obama doing wrong.
Im not a big fan of Bush, but at least he didnt give public displays of how he doesnt like his country, then get into the Whitehouse.
First it doesn’t matter if it is torture or not, what matters is that it is against the genivea conventions.
Also I’m glad you brought up the Japanese. In the world court when we put Japanese generals to death, one of the charges against them was water-boarding. So it was illegal when we used against the Japanese but it is legal when we do it?
Also a common tactic when discussing one politician is to bring up another. Bringing up Obama when the list has nothing to do with him, is really is bad taste. Changing the subject does not make Bush more liked or the reasons for him being hated less true.
Geneva Conventions that is. My spelling is getting worse. Must be the Republican thinking of this site rubbing off on me. I know it was a cheap jab but I had to say it.
Sean, Cheney isn’t the issue. The CIA said lives were saved. As for Geneva? I don’t give a flip. I’m more inclined to go with ‘an eye for an eye’. We are fighting for our very lives, and civilization. These aren’t rational beings. They are pure evil.
And don’t blame this site if you have problems with your spelling. Blame public education, or turn on your spell check.
Pounding on a president who is no longer in office is in really bad taste.
The list was in bad taste.
Thinking one president is fair game, while another is not, is in bad taste.
Not recognizing whats going on right now, and thinking that bashing on a former pres. is more pressing than the present is bad taste, and frankly quite ignorant.
I could go on.
So, were supposed to be the only country going by the geneva convention? Wheres your little outrage at the countries that dont? hmm?
And Ill say it again: you need to go crack a history book, (like Republicans do) and stop repeating crap you get from MSNBC or the Huffington post.
The Japanese did NOT do waterboarding, Thats a lie and a falsehood if there ever was one, and you even saying they did shows you have no clue as to what youre talking about. They DID however do horrible things with water, like completely fill an American GIs stomach with dry rice, then pour lots of water down their throat. In case you cant figure it out, rice soaks up the water and expands, also releasing gas and would cause the persons stomach to explode.
They also will completely fill a mans stomach with water, then punch them in the stomach, etc. If they did “waterboarding”, the American POWs would have been thankful, it would have been like a tickle-fight compared to what they actually got, like shoving bamboo shoots under their fingernails then wrapping their hand up in a fist and keeping it like that so the nails would grow right thru your hand. Fun stuff like that.
This is why Im for revamping our schools, so they can learn REAL history, not liberal twists on history; like telling kids in school we dropped the bombs on poor japan unawares, and that we did it just to test it, not because we had to.
PS. Geneva Conventions does not apply to terrorists.
What is this crap about opening a history book. I just said that one of their charges were water-boarding. You are changing the subject again. I didn’t say they didn’t do other forms of torture. I just said it was one of the charges.