Comments on: Will The BDS Ever End?

By: Sean

Sean — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:52:26 +0000

What is this crap about opening a history book. I just said that one of their charges were water-boarding. You are changing the subject again. I didn’t say they didn’t do other forms of torture. I just said it was one of the charges.

By: cristina

cristina — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:49:11 +0000

PS. Geneva Conventions does not apply to terrorists.

By: Shadowblitz70

Shadowblitz70 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:37:25 +0000

Pounding on a president who is no longer in office is in really bad taste.
The list was in bad taste.
Thinking one president is fair game, while another is not, is in bad taste.
Not recognizing whats going on right now, and thinking that bashing on a former pres. is more pressing than the present is bad taste, and frankly quite ignorant.
I could go on.
So, were supposed to be the only country going by the geneva convention? Wheres your little outrage at the countries that dont? hmm?

And Ill say it again: you need to go crack a history book, (like Republicans do) and stop repeating crap you get from MSNBC or the Huffington post.

The Japanese did NOT do waterboarding, Thats a lie and a falsehood if there ever was one, and you even saying they did shows you have no clue as to what youre talking about. They DID however do horrible things with water, like completely fill an American GIs stomach with dry rice, then pour lots of water down their throat. In case you cant figure it out, rice soaks up the water and expands, also releasing gas and would cause the persons stomach to explode.
They also will completely fill a mans stomach with water, then punch them in the stomach, etc. If they did “waterboarding”, the American POWs would have been thankful, it would have been like a tickle-fight compared to what they actually got, like shoving bamboo shoots under their fingernails then wrapping their hand up in a fist and keeping it like that so the nails would grow right thru your hand. Fun stuff like that.
This is why Im for revamping our schools, so they can learn REAL history, not liberal twists on history; like telling kids in school we dropped the bombs on poor japan unawares, and that we did it just to test it, not because we had to.

By: olbroad

olbroad — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:30:07 +0000

Sean, Cheney isn’t the issue. The CIA said lives were saved. As for Geneva? I don’t give a flip. I’m more inclined to go with ‘an eye for an eye’. We are fighting for our very lives, and civilization. These aren’t rational beings. They are pure evil.

And don’t blame this site if you have problems with your spelling. Blame public education, or turn on your spell check.

By: Sean

Sean — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:09:05 +0000

Geneva Conventions that is. My spelling is getting worse. Must be the Republican thinking of this site rubbing off on me. I know it was a cheap jab but I had to say it.

By: Sean

Sean — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:06:27 +0000

First it doesn’t matter if it is torture or not, what matters is that it is against the genivea conventions.
Also I’m glad you brought up the Japanese. In the world court when we put Japanese generals to death, one of the charges against them was water-boarding. So it was illegal when we used against the Japanese but it is legal when we do it?
Also a common tactic when discussing one politician is to bring up another. Bringing up Obama when the list has nothing to do with him, is really is bad taste. Changing the subject does not make Bush more liked or the reasons for him being hated less true.

By: Shadowblitz70

Shadowblitz70 — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:50:36 +0000

As far as the list goes, its just more liberal ignorance, lies and a general lack of a grip on reality.
If you actually DID have 20 legitimate reasons for Americans to Hate Bush, I could write a list of about 450 for Obama. No kidding. People just refuse to listen or see when its Obama doing wrong.
Im not a big fan of Bush, but at least he didnt give public displays of how he doesnt like his country, then get into the Whitehouse.

By: Shadowblitz70

Shadowblitz70 — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:46:10 +0000

People like Sean are clueless, and just cant get it. You cant use psychology on people that have no fear of dying. And people that say waterboarding is “torture” makes me want to show them what real torture is.
Go crack a damn history book, would ya? Learn what actual torture is.
torture is NOT merely putting someone in discomfort. Go read up on what the japanese did to our soldiers in their pow camps. Go learn what the nazis did to the jews. They didnt just gas them. Spanish Inquisition, etc. THOSE were scenarios of torture.

Waterboarding isnt torture, it IS mostly psychological. It convinces the person theyre drowning, but theyre never actually in harm or going to drown. Also the idea that if you “put someone in pain they will just tell you whatever” is a misnomer. The people that do interrogations know what theyre doing, they know what info theyre looking for. You dont just grab some random person and apply pain and run off with whatever info they give you. It doesnt work like that.

Also whining about torture when it comes to the sickos in al queda and the taliban is about as moronic as it gets. They torture their own people, our soldiers, or anyone else they get a chance to. So were supposed to treat them with kid gloves? Like thats gonna make them say “Hey, those Americans are really great people, lets be nice to them.” Stupidity.

Another example of libs siding with the enemy. Notice we dont hear libs whining about injustices done to OUR soldiers? Exactly. Im all for ANY form of interrgoation when it comes to stopping another 9/11. Chop off some random body parts, whatever it takes.

By: TexasFred

TexasFred — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:26:23 +0000

And proof once again that Dems and libbers are hypocritical douchebags.
And seriously, WHEN does it become Obama’s fault? Really?

By: Sean

Sean — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000

No I think you missed the point. I would do whatever I had to and then I would be pardoned after the fact. That is legal. The only person who says that the information gathered saved lives is Dick Cheney, there is no proof beside his word and I find him to be a lier. Torture has never really been effect at gathering information. It is effective at making people say something that is untrue. Just ask Mccain, when he was forced to call us dogs and criminals on film. If you wanted to make someone confess to something they didn’t do, then you torture them. If you are trying to get information there a better ways, that involve psychological tools.

By: olbroad

olbroad — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:38:22 +0000

@Doc LOL Thanks. I’ll try to do better next time.

@Sean And Clinton is an authority on how to save lives? Hmm…. Well, neither is Bush, but I don’t recall getting hit again after 9/11. Seems they stopped a couple of incidents with info collected through such techniques. So, if you knew of a dirty bomb, set to go off in your city, you wouldn’t use all means necessary to find the location, in order to prevent it going off? I find that rather disturbing.

By: Sean

Sean — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:39:12 +0000

I’ll only defend one #1. Clinton was asked about the ticking time bomb theory on Larry King. Clinton said that we don’t need to authorize waterboarding because of a ticking time bomb. He said we already have laws for that. In the unlikely case of a ticking time bomb happens and a person was to violate the law and save lives, then he would have to be arrested after the fact and then pardoned. We are not going to throw a hero in prison, so the argument that we should authorize an illegal activity is wrong. If it is authorized then it would be misused.

By: Dr. Dave

Dr. Dave — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:34:06 +0000

Not enough feeling there, Kate. Try adding a few tears and cheers and fears. I also recommend sprinkling some hope here and there.
Otherwise, your 2 cents is golden.