An Ol' Broad's Ramblings
The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
I have always had a major problem with those mega churches. No offense, but sometimes it seems like the REAL message gets lost because of those who want to appease each member to the point that no one learns the TRUTH.
The effort, informally dubbed King’s Way, caps years of outreach between Warren and Muslims. Warren has broken Ramadan fasts at a Mission Viejo mosque, met Muslim leaders abroad and addressed 8,000 Muslims at a national convention in Washington D.C.
Does Warren not understand that these muslims he wants to be buddies with would just as soon kill him as an ‘unbeliever’ as look at him?
Saddleback worshippers have invited Muslims to Christmas dinner and played interfaith soccer at a picnic in Irvine attended by more than 300 people. (The game pitted pastors and imams against teens from both faiths. The teens won.)
The effort by a prominent Christian leader to bridge what polls show is a deep rift between Muslims and evangelical Christians culminated in December at a dinner at Saddleback attended by 300 Muslims and members of Saddleback’s congregation.
That’s real nice and all, but ya know, it’s a muslims obligation to lie to ‘infidels’. I’m thinking that perhaps Warren hasn’t actually read that so called holy book.
At the dinner, Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, introduced King’s Way as “a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians.”
There’s no misunderstanding. We understand real well!
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”
Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’”
Qur’an 72:15 “But the Qasitun (disbelievers) are the firewood of hell.”
Qur’an 5:72 “…Lo! Whoever joins other gods with Allah or says He has a partner, Allah has forbidden Paradise, and the Hell Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.”
Does Warren seriously believe there is anything, other than converting to islam, that would make a bit of difference to these….people?
The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God” and share two central commandments: “love of God” and “love of neighbor.” The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.
No, allah is NOT God. Not even close! I haven’t seen anywhere in the Bible, Old or New Testament, or the Tanakh, that instructs us to lie, cheat, steal or murder. Yet I have seen many examples of such in the Qur’an. I’m not sure what Bible Rick Warren uses to preach the message, but it sure isn’t the one I’ve read. Or does he even use it during his sermons?
I’ve yet to see where it’s ok to beat or even kill your family members. Jesus didn’t cover that in His “Sermon on the Mount”. (Matthew 5-7:27) Or any of His teachings, for that matter!
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Godfather Politics covers the topic quite well. The murderous, child molester wasn’t even born, never went to Jerusalem, and the only thing he was the prophet of was his own wants and desires.